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Pan (EoZ) vs...
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+ Sandy Shore	Jun 13 2016, 05:41 PM Post #31
Posts: 1,860 Group: Elite Member Member #12,337 Joined: May 18, 2015	Be that as it may-or-may-not, he's not therefore also the gutsiest. Besides, he said it himself: Pan is the one in their family with the most guts! If I said that my little sister is the prettiest in my family, I'm also saying that she's prettier than me. Of course, she isn't - I'm the prettiest in my family. I don't even have a little sister. Not anymore, any way. Edited by Sandy Shore, Jun 13 2016, 05:43 PM.



KidBuu55	Jun 13 2016, 05:44 PM Post #32
Posts: 665 Group: Probation Member #13,002 Joined: March 24, 2016 Gender Not Specified Country Chile	Emmeth Jun 13 2016, 05:35 PM Lazuli Jun 13 2016, 05:27 PM Why is Goku not included in his statement about who has the most guts in their family? Guts ≠ power. Because he's the most powerful in the world. Not understanding this train of thought: Krillin fighting Vegeta had guts, he was not stronger. Goten fighting Buu =/= Pan fighting people. She's a small kid who will probably be strong for her age, but considering the Yo Son Goku special had the more gifted Goten and Trunks struggling on Frieza tiered enemies, I don't think Pan is doing anything significant.



+ Emmeth	Jun 13 2016, 05:52 PM Post #33
I ♥ Yoeri Posts: 20,075 Group: Legend Member #8,985 Joined: February 7, 2013 Country Japan	I'll give up on the most guts thing, but I most underline that I believe Pan is very very close to, if not stronger than Goten and Trunks. KidBuu55 Jun 13 2016, 05:44 PM Emmeth Jun 13 2016, 05:35 PM Lazuli Jun 13 2016, 05:27 PM Why is Goku not included in his statement about who has the most guts in their family? Guts ≠ power. Because he's the most powerful in the world. She's a small kid who will probably be strong for her age, but considering the Yo Son Goku special had the more gifted Goten and Trunks struggling on Frieza tiered enemies, I don't think Pan is doing anything significant. They were not struggling against the two villains alone, they started struggling when they fused.
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+ Pyrus	Jun 13 2016, 07:19 PM Post #34
Posts: 39,342 Group: Legend Member #5,088 Joined: August 1, 2010 Gender Not Specified Country Chile	http://web.archive.org/web/20111104071920/http://kanzentai.com/trans-daiz04.php?m=06&id=budoukai#link Contestants: Goku, Vegeta, Oob, Mr. Boo, Trunks, Goten, Mou Kekko (Wild Tiger), Captain Chicken, Knock, Otoko Suki, Kirano, Pan If she's only knocking off the humans, that puts her at halfway to winning. Is that pretty far to you? It's not to me, but that's just me.
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KidBuu55	Jun 13 2016, 08:17 PM Post #35
Posts: 665 Group: Probation Member #13,002 Joined: March 24, 2016 Gender Not Specified Country Chile	She's a weakling compared to the boys: Quote: " A quarter Saiyan born to the half-Saiyan Gohan and the Earthling Videl after Majin Buu's annihilation. With Goku and Mister Satan as her grandfathers, she was born into what is in many ways an amazing lineage. She's spent more time being trained by her grandfather Goku than her father or mother, which she enjoys. Her other grandfather, Mister Satan, seems to dote on her incessantly. She lit up the stage in the Tenkaichi Budoukai, defeating a large adult in one blow." The only mention of her power is her defeating a normal adult. Edited by KidBuu55, Jun 13 2016, 08:19 PM.



+ Sandy Shore	Jun 13 2016, 08:21 PM Post #36
Posts: 1,860 Group: Elite Member Member #12,337 Joined: May 18, 2015	Total Number of Competitors in the Preliminaries: 114 Seventh out of one-hundred-and-fourteen is pretty far, if you ask me. I'm not exactly sure where they got that exact number, but I'm almost baffled that anyone should assume there weren't more than twelve competitors. Those twelve are even introduced as "the finalists". Furthermore, Goku mentioning how well Pan can do comes about after Trunks and Bulma are surprised that Pan is going to fight in a competition with no children's division that year. They're concerned for her safety against adult fighters (not Goku and Co.) and Goku puts their fear to rest by assuring them that, she may not win, but she'll do just fine in the tournament. His statement in no way implies she can beat Boo, Vegeta, Trunks, or Goten. Maybe she can, but Goten, at the very least, appears disinterested when her participation is mentioned. The only thing I think is perhaps essential when guestimating Pan's power is, with Toriyama's trend of the next born being vastly more powerful, presuming her to be even stronger than Goten and Trunks were as children. Just how high that goes is up to your own fancy, and none of you can prove the other wrong.



+ Emmeth	Jun 13 2016, 08:22 PM Post #37
I ♥ Yoeri Posts: 20,075 Group: Legend Member #8,985 Joined: February 7, 2013 Country Japan	KidBuu55 Jun 13 2016, 08:17 PM She's a weakling compared to the boys: Quote: " A quarter Saiyan born to the half-Saiyan Gohan and the Earthling Videl after Majin Buu's annihilation. With Goku and Mister Satan as her grandfathers, she was born into what is in many ways an amazing lineage. She's spent more time being trained by her grandfather Goku than her father or mother, which she enjoys. Her other grandfather, Mister Satan, seems to dote on her incessantly. She lit up the stage in the Tenkaichi Budoukai, defeating a large adult in one blow." The only mention of her power is her defeating a normal adult. I don't share your sentiment, with my given reasons. I think I'll leave it at that. Agreeing with KP.
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+ Pyrus	Jun 13 2016, 09:48 PM Post #38
Posts: 39,342 Group: Legend Member #5,088 Joined: August 1, 2010 Gender Not Specified Country Chile	Lazuli Jun 13 2016, 08:21 PM Total Number of Competitors in the Preliminaries: 114 Seventh out of one-hundred-and-fourteen is pretty far, if you ask me. I'm not exactly sure where they got that exact number, but I'm almost baffled that anyone should assume there weren't more than twelve competitors. Those twelve are even introduced as "the finalists". Furthermore, Goku mentioning how well Pan can do comes about after Trunks and Bulma are surprised that Pan is going to fight in a competition with no children's division that year. They're concerned for her safety against adult fighters (not Goku and Co.) and Goku puts their fear to rest by assuring them that, she may not win, but she'll do just fine in the tournament. His statement in no way implies she can beat Boo, Vegeta, Trunks, or Goten. Maybe she can, but Goten, at the very least, appears disinterested when her participation is mentioned. The only thing I think is perhaps essential when guestimating Pan's power is, with Toriyama's trend of the next born being vastly more powerful, presuming her to be even stronger than Goten and Trunks were as children. Just how high that goes is up to your own fancy, and none of you can prove the other wrong. Does that really count, though?
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+ Sandy Shore	Jun 13 2016, 10:31 PM Post #39
Posts: 1,860 Group: Elite Member Member #12,337 Joined: May 18, 2015	Does what really count? The other 102 contestants? If so, why wouldn't they? Bulma and Trunks were worried about her participating with adults—to say nothing of her family and friends—and Goku said Pan probably won't win, but she'll do pretty good. It has nothing to do with Boo, or Vegeta, but how she'll do in the tournament itself. There isn't a single thing in the manga that even suggests Pan is close to, or stronger than, Trunks and Goten. She might be, but it's not supported by anything.



+ Pyrus	Jun 13 2016, 10:39 PM Post #40
Posts: 39,342 Group: Legend Member #5,088 Joined: August 1, 2010 Gender Not Specified Country Chile	At that point, I don't see how any normal humans are relevant to the Z group at all, even the children. Maybe that's just me.
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+ Sandy Shore	Jun 13 2016, 10:48 PM Post #41
Posts: 1,860 Group: Elite Member Member #12,337 Joined: May 18, 2015	The (adult) humans were relevant to Bulma's concerns regarding Pan's participation, and Goku states—as we'd expect—that they're essentially a non-issue. So yes, I agree that they're utterly insignificant, but they were mentioned nonetheless. The reason she probably won't win is obviously because of the Z-lot (which among them is not stated), but she'll definitely do pretty good in the tournament, all the same. That's all that statement says, as far as I can see. Edited by Sandy Shore, Jun 13 2016, 10:50 PM.



+ Pyrus	Jun 13 2016, 11:01 PM Post #42
Posts: 39,342 Group: Legend Member #5,088 Joined: August 1, 2010 Gender Not Specified Country Chile	Fair enough. I don't have anything else to add.
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